Interview with Lintas Group Director of media services and healthcare Lynn de Souza
   
 

"Media has grown by leaps and bounds and matured simultaneously"
  Posted on 6 October 2003
   
 

"'Propah' in the typically British way! This is the only way to describe Lintas (part of IPG global communications) group director of media services and healthcare - Lynn de Souza! An astute media planner - labeled as the 'original number cruncher' - de Souza is a much revered media personality who has made a successful transition from the days when media research and statistics was just an art to today's scenario when one can safely claim that it has become some kind of a science.

Today, de Souza heads a team of 130 people and she has total responsibility of all Lintas group's media brands - Initiative, Interactions, Millennium, Media Futures and Intellect and also oversees Lowe Healthcare. She worked in O&M and Trikaya Grey before setting up Initiative Media in 1995. She then traveled abroad to Australia in 1998 to study veterinary nursing, and has returned to full time media this year after a four year foray into the integrated divisions of Lintas.

An animal rights activist, de Souza set up the Goa SPCA (Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) in 2000 and built the Socrates Oliver Veterinary Hospital, Torda, Salvador-do-Mundo, Bardez, Goa, on her ancestral land last year, which she still manages with a staff of eight. This year she wrote a book for children, "A Dog's Life", which has been very well received.

de Souza spoke to indiantelevision.com about her work, the state of the media industry today, the challenges she faces, the buzz around CAS, her passion for animals and more. Excerpts:

   
  So Initiative Media will now be known as Initiative. Tell us about the journey?
Yes, we are in the process of a giving a new identity to this media division of the Lintas group. As part of the global restructuring, Initiative Media will henceforth be known as Initiative; which means new letterheads, visiting cards so on and so forth.

We started Initiative (Initiative Media then) sometime in April 1995 at a time when the agency lost the media business of Unilever (Hindustan Lever) for the first time in its 60-year history. This development led to a lot of restructuring within the Lintas fold. We decided to go all out and pitch for new business. At that time, the concept of AOR (agency of record) didn't exist. We decided to approach those clients that used our services for certain brands and urged them to appoint us as the central agency for all their media buying and planning requirements. Several clients (ITC and Cadbury's) liked the idea and within the first year and a half we bagged nearly eight to nine AOR accounts. Many of them - for instance Bajaj Auto and ITC (which was incidentally our first) - are still with us.

Internally, we undertook several initiatives - reorienting our resources; inducting client servicing skills; familiarizing them with terms like " implementation deals" or "portfolio management" amongst others. In a way, this was a very exciting phase in my career.
   
 

What kind of changes do you see at Lintas and Initiative during your second stint?
When I returned to Initiative, I noticed a lot of changes as well as some constants. For instance, there is intense competition from several media independents that have emerged on the scene; media has grown by leaps and bounds and matured simultaneously.

The Lintas group now has five media units - the flagship brand Initiative with its all new logo and identity; Interactions - that has ITC and some south India based clients; Millennium - that looks after the media needs of subsidiary agencies such as Quadrant, SSC&B as well as clients that have a different profile or need specific services. Media Futures does consultancy work for media owners and Intellect is the brain centre which develops and implement tools and research.

The group is much larger now and the client base has expanded to around 35 to 40 excluding those we work for as part of a full service arrangement. The volume of business is pretty high as clients have increased billing. The quality of resources is impeccable as usual because the Lintas group always chooses people with utmost care. Stability is an added feature, at middle and senior levels, the retention rate is healthy.

   
 
"The volume of business is pretty high as clients have increased billing"
   
 

You mentioned earlier about realigning client mindsets. How have client media agency relationships changed?
Yes, we spent a lot of time on realigning client mindsets. We managed to get them out of the routine of focusing the bulk of their energies on media deliveries. We encouraged them to benchmark themselves against competition and how to motivate their media agency's core team. Clients have to realise that media is a specialised function and media personnel need to be motivated in a different way as compared to the client servicing or creative teams.

Of course, our clients have responded favourably and are much more knowledgeable now. Larger clients have realised that they have to play a balancing act as the specialised units - media, servicing, account planning and creative - bombard them with a wide array of solutions and strategies.

Today, clients are open to incentivising performance and very comfortable with the concept. In fact, we had put in the "performance linked remuneration" clause right when we started off. Clients are open to "time-spent" kind of arrangements too. The point is everyone knows that quality output comes at a particular price. This kind of an arrangement also leads to a relationship wherein both the parties respect one another.

   
 

What do you have to say about allegations that cut-throat competition and undercutting amongst media agencies has spoilt the market?
I don't think anyone has the right to malign any other rival agency without providing adequate proof. It's not healthy to point fingers at others. Everyone is working under pressure and margins are definitely low. That's where result-oriented strategy and service come into play.

   
 
"The point is everyone knows that quality output comes at a particular price"
   
 

Is the Indian ad industry ready for media audit firms?
I just hope that Indian industry is ready for media audits. Few years back, we had invited global media audit expert Tony Ayers - who audits the Unilever account in the UK where Initiative is the AOR - to India. He met several top notch clients and gave their representatives a perspective on the issue. There was a lot of interest but there were doubts when he asked for a one per cent commission. Those were the days of 15 per cent agency commissions and I wonder how the fraternity will react in these present days of 2.5 per cent commissions. But, I guess the industry has matured and the media function has been separated out from mainstream advertising. I just hope that the Indian industry (both media/ad agencies and media owners) is open to the idea now and will not be scared to stand up to scrutiny.

   
 

What about the talk of fusing the account management and media strategy arms?
There is no need to fuse the account management and media strategy functions. The key is to ensure that both the teams give due importance to the overall communication task and strategic planning objectives. After all, media planners also have to don the mantle of orienting themselves to the various facets of strategic planning in sync with the core communication strategy.

   
 

What is your take on media innovations?
As far as innovations are concerned, I believe that the best one we did was for Britannia Fifty Fifty (50:50) brand of biscuits (innovation done on TV during cricket matches where the brand hogged limelight during the third umpire break). It was such a little thing but so very neat, crisp and great. We could extend the idea across different traditional and non-traditional media platforms. I keep telling my team that we should come up with brilliant innovations like the 50:50 one. At present, a lot of innovation can be attributed to aggressive sales teams of media vehicles and owners of programmes. I feel that Coke Channel [V] Viva Popstars was a great idea.

For the Tata group telecom brand IDEA, we have entered into a unique marketing tie-up with Discovery Channels as well as business channel CBNC India. For CNBC, we have a six-episode series called The Power of an Idea which has already started airing with stalwarts like Piyush Pandey and Prasoon Joshi amongst others. For CNBC, IDEA created fillers on eight subjects for 30 seconds, which focuses on how somebody's idea changed the way we operate today.

In another alliance, Discovery has created a 13-week series based on the brand proposition of Idea - how an Idea can change the way you live, work and play. From 5 October 2003, the series will be aired on Discovery Channel every Sunday. IDEA has also tied up with Radio Mirchi and taken over properties like 'Temperature Check.'

   
 
"I guess the industry has matured and the media function has been separated out from mainstream advertising"
   
 

What were the big ticket client gains in 2002-03?
In 2003, the big business wins were the consolidated ITC business as well as Maruti Udyog each of which was well over a 100 crores win (Rs 1 billion). These were the two largest pitches in the market this year, and we are happy to have won them both, we did not participate in any of the others. We also bagged other business such as Britannia Corporate, Tata Tea, Weekender etc. Recently, general insurance company ICICI Lombard has decided to retain Initiative Media as its media planning and buying AOR. The business was earlier being serviced by Initiative Media as a part of the full service arrangement with Lowe.

The point remains that we are keen on entering into long-term relationships with clients. In the last few years - especially during the dotcom boom - the advertising fraternity had got into this groove of not ascertaining the credentials of clients - especially the 'fly-by-night' operators. At Lintas, our philosophy has always been to pick up 'serious' clients; be totally committed to them and groom them. We expect a relationship involving two-way commitment and faith. The key is to ensure that the brand grows and so does the agency in terms of billing, experience and domain knowledge.

   
 

There is talk that the WPP Media group in India is thrice the size of its closest competitor. Where do the Lintas media divisions stand in terms of rankings?
There is no independent way of confirming whether the billing figures quoted by the various constituents of the advertising industry are accurate. Industry bodies like the INS (Indian Newspaper Society) and IBF (Indian Broadcasting Federation) supply certain statistics but there are instances wherein media charges are fused into other advertising costs. But, a lot of things are not really disclosed because several ad agencies merely reveal consolidated financials. Even so, I doubt anyone is thrice our size, when we continue to be the largest customer of the largest medium, print. It's quite laughable really, and I don't think any important group would really make such silly claims. As far as head counts are concerned however, we have always been top-rated due to the traditionally highest per capita billing our Group has enjoyed
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"At Lintas, our philosophy has always been to pick up 'serious' clients; be totally committed to them and groom them"
   
 

Have non-traditional media spends increased by leaps and bounds?
Definitely, spends on non-traditional media have increased phenomenally. However, one must realise that the growth percentage looks humungous because it's on a smaller base as compared to that of traditional media. Also, remember that the focus of our ad economy has shifted from FMCGs to services and durables. Clients in this domain understand the significance of 360-degree marketing very well. However, I still believe that the spends on TV, print and radio will increase simultaneously. The overall ad pie will grow.

For instance, a recent analysis showed that just two newspapers in the Hindi belt in India added 14 million readers over the last five years or so. As literacy rates rise, the market will continue to add readers every year. Similarly, cable and satellite industry will grow and our study shows that 12 million viewers have been added in the same period in these areas. The media fraternity hasn't given this phenomenon its due importance. The fact remains that India is still a media-starved and media dark market.

   
 

Tell us about the latest tools and techniques?
As far as tools are concerned, Initiative had an in-house session last month where we showcased our latest research techniques. For instance, ESPRIT is our segmentation tool that is cast on the IRS software. It is an audience definition tool that is linked to marketing spends. We also launched the latest version of Matrix Reloaded - our multimedia planning and buying tool. The older version had an awareness module (to check at what optimum levels ads don't add to awareness) whereas the new version is based on intrinsic modeling (with past information already factored in) and decay setting information. In association with Pathfinders, we also have our own TV forecasting tool. I must claim that we have successfully predicted the ratings of new TV programmes and we were pretty accurate in our predictions.

   
 
"We have always been top-rated due to the traditionally highest per capita billing our Group has enjoyed"
   
 

Tell us about Lowe Healthcare? What kind of opportunities do you see? Which clients have you bagged recently?
Along with telecom and insurance, healthcare is one of the fastest growing sectors in the economy. It is growing at 13 to 18 per cent per annum and more and more people are coming into the fold of spending on health-related products. In India, we haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg. The per capita expenditure on one's health here is as low as Rs 900 a year, which can only go up. Linked to that is the whole business of communicating what you have, be it a new OTC product or a herbal range or educating people about lifestyle diseases. There will be a lot more communication about keeping good health aimed directly at consumers or even addressed to the medical fraternity. The category grew by more than 20 per cent last year in terms of media spends.

   
 

Is Media Futures a next generation concept?
Media Futures is the brain centre of the media services group. It is a consultancy operation that offers a range of services other than planning and buying. For instance, media houses come to us for advice on how to market or price themselves. Media Futures would take up such work. Some clients come to you for a complete marketing consultancy, a large part of which includes the use of conventional as well as non-conventional media because sometimes the medium is the channel of distribution. Such work would fall into the realm of Media Futures.

   
  Tell us about recent programming ideas on Indian television?
The greatest idea on Indian television in recent times was Kaun Banega Crorepati (KBC). KBC was successful because it epitomised the intrinsic values associated with the Indian society all nicely wrapped up in the persona of Mr Bachchan- education, empathy, respect, reverence, kindness, cooperation, dignity, fatalism and belief in destiny. This mother of programmes in the new millennium really came close to great programming ideas like Hum Log and Buniyaad in the earlier decade. Great programming ideas somehow end up giving power to the people and audiences.

I just can't watch and don't want to watch the 'saas-bahu' sagas. Today, clients and channel programming teams have got into this groove of giving 'what they claim the audience wants'! However, they must understand that they have a social responsibility. I wish to recount global consumer durable major Sony's strategy that started with the theory that consumers don't really know what they want; this precept leads to innovation and brilliance (Sony walkmans). I wish Ektaa Kapoor and her peers realise the amount of power they wield and the good they should achieve with it. I miss Lajoji and her kind.

News channels, meanwhile, have to go beyond gossip and tackle the real issues - the country is full of issues. Niche channels are the only ones that are thinking smart to capture audiences and client spends. But, they need to do so for the sake of survival.
   
 
"News channels have to go beyond gossip and tackle the real issues"
   
  What is your take on the conditional access system (CAS)?
We have stopped talking of CAS but have moved on to DTH (direct to home). Initiative has released an exhaustive report on DTH and its implications on the advertising industry.
   
  What are your favourite programmes?
Usually, I catch one of the weekend blockbuster movies on English TV channels. I enjoy watching We the People and The Big Fight - earlier on Star News and now on NDTV 24x7. I also relax with Star World in the evening sometimes, but what I miss most is Seinfield which was my all time favourite - but somehow my cable operator doesn't give me Zee English any more. I used to watch a lot of Animal Planet but the channel is airing a lot of repeats now.
   
 

How do you manage to juggle hectic work schedules with your Goa SPCA responsibilities?
I still manage to visit Goa during the weekends and spend time with the animals there. I wrote a children's book in April 2003 and the proceeds from this book are routed towards the hospital. We also organise camps and workshops for the benefit of people who wish to be a part of the SPCA movement. I am also a master trainer certified by the Animal Welfare Board. You always make time for the things you want to!

 

   
   
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