Interview with O&M Senior Creative Director Pushpinder Singh
 
"The many creative styles at O&M are because Piyush Pandey leaves us alone"
Posted on 30 December 2003
 

He joined advertising after seeing a Bata ad by Freddy Birdy. So inspired was he by it that he changed tracks completely and plunged into the ad world after having slogged for a Bachelor's degree in Pharmacy.

Starting from a small studio in Pune and moving on to bigger and better ad agencies in Mumbai from Triton Communications, Trikaya Grey (now Grey Worldwide), Leo Burnett to finally being the senior creative director of the hot shot agency Ogilvy & Mather; Pushpinder Singh has sure come a long way.

This six footer is the brains behind the 'Cancer Cures Smoking' ad for their client the Cancer Patients Aid Association. The ad won the Gold Lion at the Cannes Lions International Advertising Festival earlier this year. Another ad for which he has won accolades is - 'His car was right... battery was wrong, my number one lasts long really long. Lasts long really long... Ting Tong Ting Tong Ting...' - the most catchy jingle in recent years for Amaron Battery.

This Punjab da puttar spoke to indiantelevision.com's
Hetal Adesara about impending deadlines, tough clients vis-à-vis trusting clients, team spirit, his success mantra and more. Excerpts:

 

Let's start with your background... how did you get into advertising?
I have a Bachelor's degree in Pharmacy. Like a lot of other writers it wasn't a very conscious decision to get into advertising. I just drifted into it.

After graduation I worked with a small studio in Pune and later came to Bombay looking for a job. I started with Triton Communications. Then went to Trikaya Grey which is now Grey Worldwide. Grey used to be the hottest shop then and it was quite a humbling experience being a part of it. Leo Burnett followed and for the past four years I have been with O&M.

 

What are the brands you are currently working on?
We are an 18-strong team that handles Tata Safari and Tata Sumo, British Petroleum, American Express Travelers Cheques, Star TV, SBI Life, Close Up, Knorr Annapurna range of foods, Amaron Batteries, Playwin, VIP undergarments, Bennett Coleman's Navbharat Times, Maharashtra Times and Ceat.

 

Which has been your most memorable campaign till date?
Very often it happens that a single piece of creative suddenly captures the public's imagination, gets everybody talking about it and becomes a big hit. That's one aspect so to say. The other is that a certain brand consistently delivers on a certain standard of work.

For four years now we have maintained a certain standard on the Sumo and Safari ads and I am extremely proud of that. Navbharat Times is another very memorable campaign and has been stealing the thunder at award shows for the last three years. There is Amaron Batteries which picked up a bag full of awards last year. But Amaron was also hugely satisfying on the count that it rocked the market place as well.

 

How did you come up with the ad concept for Amaron battery? What do you think made it popular?
I always say, the greatest inspiration is an impending deadline.

In this case full marks to the Amaron team for driving us to come up with something unique. Some people think it is very fashionable nowadays to give credit to the client for a concept but in this case it was actually so. We were presenting script after script and the client - Mr Ramachandran's consistent response was that it didn't look or feel too different from anything that they saw on television. That was what led me to experiment with claymation (clay animation). Once claymation worked with that kind of a music score there was really no looking back.

 
"When the world 'zigs' you 'zag'"

(LtoR): O&M creative director Sagar Mahabaleshwarkar, jury president of Cannes International Advertising Festival & CEO Weiden & Kennedy of Portland, Oregon (USA) Dan Weiden, O&M creative director Pushpinder Singh and O&M group president & national creative director Piyush Pandey at Cannes 2003
 

What is your view on usage of animation and 3D techniques in advertising?
Keeping Amaron as a reference point, I feel that there is a lot one can get away with by using animation. Like for example, we spoofed politicians, I don't think real life characters would be able to carry off something like that. Also, it would create a huge controversy.

The other point is, when the world 'zigs' you 'zag'. Claymation stands out as different. When we started out with Amaron, it was the only brand on television using the technique. Bazee.com and others followed. Even their background scores were similar. So now claymation may soon become another blind spot on TV. Probably next time, we will have to work harder and discover something fresh and different in terms of treatment.

 

Tell me something about the anti-smoking ad "Cancer Cures Smoking" that got the Gold Lion at Cannes in June 2003. How did this idea come about?
It is difficult to say how ideas come about. Very often you struggle for months and nothing happens. Sometimes you crack three good ones in a day. I believe that ideas are always complete serendipity and nothing else.

 

Which ads were the most challenging ones and why?
The most challenging clients are the ones who trust you! The ones who don't trust you and bully you are easier to handle.

Just imagine somebody who is spending 200 - 250 million in the media comes to you and says, "I trust you completely and I trust that you will deliver." Amaron is one such client. He makes us work harder because he trusts us so much. Telco (now Tata Motors) is another such client. That kind of a trust really challenges your abilities.

Working on Close Up off late has been a very rewarding experience. We had a musical score which did only averagely well in research. We stuck by our guns and it was very heartening to see it do well later in the commercial. What was more heartening to see was the client's respect for the creative team.

 

What is it like working with India's most highly rated creative professional - Piyush Pandey?
Piyush himself was asked this question once, that how do you get the best out of your creative directors and he said - "I leave them alone." That's the reason why there are so many different styles at Ogilvy. There are guys writing funny commercials, guys doing copy led stuff, guys who create visual led press ads. Each one to his own.

If I need Piyush's help in selling, he is around. And he's got the kind of credentials and presence that knocks down a lot of barriers.

 

What do you think has been the key in differentiating O&M as an agency?
My friends working in other agencies are going to kill me if I answer that. On a more serious note, the biggest difference is that the the creative guys here are a part of the client relationship. I have not seen that in too many other agencies. This makes things so much easier and efficient.

Also, the attitude here is, if you think you've got it in you, then deliver and prove it. If you don't then we'll correct and help you. (Read, kick your arse)!!

 

Do you think that campaigns today have a shorter lifespan? If yes, why?
The days of Vicco Vajardanti which ran for decades are gone forever. Campaigns today have a much shorter lifespan due to media clutter. In the good old days there used to be just one channel - Doordarshan and everyone would crowd around to watch the Sunday movie or the Marathi film on Saturday. Nowadays, there is so much clutter and splintering that at times I have missed out my own creatives which are on air.

Also, a lot of advertising that we see today, at least from the bigger spenders, looks, feels and sounds the same. It's a vicious cycle that further makes the campaign's life span shorter.

 


The mastermind duo - Pushpinder Singh and Sagar Mahabaleshwarkar

"Each time I face a blank piece of paper, I get the scariest feeling on earth"
 

How significant are awards to you? Do you work on a campaign keeping awards as an ulterior motive?
Awards are great fun. You go up on stage, collect your trophy and feel good about yourself in front of your peers. But that's about it. I don't take them any more seriously than that.

If you work with only awards as a goal then often you are not true to your audience. And that is asking for trouble. You may get away with such indulgent work once but the next time around the client will box your ears.

Having said that, great ideas and crafting works with the audience and wins you awards too. It is not an either-or situation.

 

Have you ever come to a point where you've felt stagnated in your thought process? Do you leave the work or do you still pursue the thought?
Each time I face a blank piece of paper, it is the scariest feeling on earth. And I pray I had a method or system to produce ideas. Of course, there isn't one. There never will be. Sometimes just putting your head back on the job and persisting gets you the desired results, sometimes just leaving it and coming back to it at the eleventh hour will get you the result. And sometimes it never happens.

 

What kind of problems do you face in this industry, if any?
Oh! I can write a book on that! Jokes apart, one problem that has gotten more pronounced of late is the dearth of quality ad film makers. Each time there is a script approved by a client, I run through the top four or five names and if they are busy then there are huge worries. Because I would certainly not like to trust glorified technicians with my work. And a majority of them are exactly that.

We shot the last Ceat film with a foreign film maker and I think this trend will increase more and more, especially in light of the fact that quality directors from South Africa, Spain and the far east are eminently affordable now.

Another problem is that some clients are not bold enough to experiment with something new and always seek comfort of the precedent. Thanks to intense competition in the marketplace, this problem is on the wane.

What also gets my goat is media guys doing their plans in complete isolation of the creative product. This is increasingly happening because creative and media duties are being split up across specialist agencies. I make it a point to let the media guys see any new creative there is, so that they plan accordingly. But it's not always possible as a lot of these processes are done simultaneously.

Apart from that the normal set of problems persist... don't get paid enough..... too many long hours... (laughs)

 
In 2003 which is the ad campaign that has impressed you the most?
Hutch and 'Paanch Matlab Chota Coke'. I also love some of the self promotion work Channel [V] and MTV have done. Especially the 'SS Sodhi' series on Channel [V].
 
"I believe that ideas are always complete serendipity and nothing else"

The ingenious lot - The O&M creative team
 
How do you look at advertising these days? Do you think it needs censorship?
Personally I am against any kind of censorship. I believe that if something is obscene or politically incorrect then people's dislike will sink it anyways. Once the censor police comes on board there's no telling what will happen. I think people are the best censor.
 
What are views on surrogate advertising?
Surrogate advertising is a reflection of the hypocritical society that we live in. We consider some products good enough to be sold but not good enough to be advertised. A marketer has to sell his product, and will find means to promote it. I don't blame him.
 

Do you think the industry is running short of ideas?
I think all agencies are filled with really bright creative people. What is happening in some agencies and not in others is empowerment of the creative. Traditionally the image of the Indian advertising creative has been this moony faced character who sits in his glass tower and says - "Oh I won't look at the world outside, I am just a creative guy," and it serves some people to further this image.

Like I said, Ogilvy is probably the only place I've seen where the
creative owns part of the client relationship. I think the moment creative empowerment happens elsewhere we will see a sudden rise in creative standards.

Abroad, the best run agencies are headed by creative people. Whereas here, beyond a Piyush Pandey I haven't seen a creative person who is running his agency in a managerial capacity as well.

 

What are your views on celebrity endorsements? Do you think they work?
I hate celebrity endorsements. Go back home and switch on your television and all you see are those irritating cricketers in every second ad.

I think celebrity advertising can be fabulous if you write a script or have a proposition for your product in which the celeb is fitting in seamlessly. What happens here is that you sign a star first and then work on the script. The end result is that the ad doesn't sell the product, it sells the star.

 

What has been your success mantra?
(Laughs) Oh! Are you assuming that I am successful?

I personally don't believe there is anything called talent. Anybody with an average amount of intelligence, (and I'm not putting up a false act just because one is in the middle of an interview) who is diligent about his work, can succeed. It's just about wanting something badly enough.

 

Which creative professionals have inspired you? Both in India and overseas?
There are lots of them. I joined advertising because of a Freddy Birdy ad for Bata. He really has been an inspiration for his great writing skills. I think Piyush is the greatest creative director that we have ever had. Elsie Nanji according to me is definitely a pioneer in print art direction. Then there is Whitelight, Prasoon Pandey and last but not the least, Kamlesh Pandey who I think was far ahead of his times.

Of the foreign legion, from Neil French I have tried to learn how to hold your own despite the odds. And then there is Tony Brignull, whose writing style I will always be subconsciously copying as long as I write.

 

What is your view on creative teams - two creative professionals working together as a team?
I think in print advertising it is especially helpful to work as a team.
Like for example, when working with Sagar Mahabaleshwarkar I never look into the art direction. Because I know that he will do a much better job of it than I can ever imagine or hope to do.

 

Where do you see yourself five years from now? What are your plans?
I don't know. I think plans are always dictated by what you enjoy most. What still gives me goose bumps is when I hold the first art pull of an ad that I have written or conceptualised. So as long as that kick is there, I will be around.

Likewise, you think up a script, spend long hours shooting, editing and composing the music and then it finally comes out and comes out right; and say 15 days later you are walking on the road and someone is singing your jingle... there is no feeling greater than that. I still remember one occasion, when I was listening to the one of the FM radio channels while I was driving. This caller called in and was asked by the RJ about his favourite song. The caller sang the complete Amaron jingle. I can never forget that. I was too stupefied. So as long as those kicks and thrills will be there I would love to be in advertising.

 

So do you see yourself in Ogilvy?
(Laughs) Your guess is as good as mine! Fact is, Ogilvy is a place where a creative person can pursue his creative ambitions or practice his craft most successfully.

 
 
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